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Manufacturer Communication Number: TechTalk566596K
TSB/Document Date: 2021-05-07
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(LD) Dave_Ricks
Knuckle Buster
04-29-202108:00 AM
DD15 injector cups
Vehicle Information
VIN: 3AKJGLD56F SGG6998 Model: CASCADIA 125 INCH SLEEPERCAB
Model Year: 2015 Mileage: 691000 miles
Make: FTL Are you currently seeing this same issue on
other DTNA vehicles at your location?: no
Base Model: CA125SLP
Vehicle Systems Involved
OTHER SYSTEM
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Had a truck we had to put injector cups in due to having a lot of coolant in the fuel and fuel in
the coolant. We found the cup seals were gone. We got done and flushed the systems out and
trucks runs good. Then we did a regen and about half way threw the DOC outlet spiked to 1200
degrees and shut the truck off. There was a lot of smoke coming out of the exhaust pipe. My
question is are the injectors over fueling due to being damaged from the coolant from the
injector cup seals going out. The truck ran fine before the cups were done. Im assuming having
the injectors out and letting them sit for a week after being surrounded in coolant caused
them to rust up inside and cause them to over fuel.
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04-29-2021 10:44 AM
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| don't believe the coolant may have cause the injectors to go bad. | would probably do an idle
speed balance to see if an injector is compensating for another one.
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“# Scott_Trippel
Optimus Prime
04-29-2021 11:34 AM
The coolant in the fuel may be the cause, i assume you drained the fuel tanks and have fresh
fuel in there now?
Back in the day when we repaired Cat C15 injector cups daily, you had to submit a injector cut
out, So warranty knew at the time of repair the injectors were okay.
Coolant can damage the injector in my humble opinion.
The other issue is how much of the coolant fuel mix, before the repair went through the ATS.
This could also cause the high temp code. If it stayed below 1400F the ATs should be okay. If it
was coolant | would either drive the unit for 30 min or so on highway then run another regen, or
let the ATS cool and run another regen.
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we have a truck here with egr cooler broke and coolant in ats system, we followed procedure
for coolant in one box, let dpf drain all night and clean scr, done 1 hrs of idle and then start
regen liken mentionned, tech told me that while regen was going, suddendly temp raise above
1800° and truck shut down, when you look at coolant in one box in detroit, nowhere it is
mention to check the temperatures, but when looking at oil in ats, they do talk about checking
temperatures, and if raise too much to stop regen and let it cool down by running engine to get
air pass-throught.. start regen again and if raise too much, replace one box and both dpf..
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© Knuckle Buster
04-29-2021 02:10 PM
It is also possible a cup is not sealing properly. If you have not already checked | would check
the exhaust pipe to see if you are getting fresh fuel or coolant in the exhaust.
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(pBrett_Halll
Knuckle Buster
04-29-2021 02:20 PM
you might also want to let the engine run at high idle or governed engine speed for about an
hour before attempting a parked regen. to let any contamination ( if any) burn off at a lower
exhaust temp.
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(Lb) Dave_Ricks
Knuckle Buster
04-50-2021 04:31 AM
| ended up check the engine i have no fluids coming from the exhaust pipe to the one box. Soi
ran alow temp ATD and it spiked to 1200 degrees but didn't smoke this time. Then | let it idle
for an hour then ran
alow temp ATD again and everything was good the temps stayed and leveled at 800degrees.
Then removed filters and let truck idle for a few hours with out filters in it to help burn off
anything else that might be in the one box. Then installed new DPF filters and ran 2 regens to
make sure all is good. Everything is good now and truck is running the road. | believe it was just
billed up from coolant and fuel from the injector cups seals going out. Thanks for your help
guys it was your help that led me to the repair.
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