Service Bulletin
June 20, 2017

17-043
06542 Version 1

2014–17 Odyssey: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch
2014–15 Odyssey vehicles from service bulletin 16-060 were moved to this bulletin, 2014–17 Odyssey: Judder
from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch
AFFECTED VEHICLES
Year
Model
2014–17

Odyssey

Trim

VIN Range

ALL

ALL

BACKGROUND
A judder from the torque converter lock-up clutch may be felt while driving between 20 and 60 mph. The problem is
typically diagnosed as a bad torque converter. American Honda investigated the judder and found that the torque
converter was not causing the judder and the transmission is not damaged by this judder.
The judder was caused by deteriorated transmission fluid. The transmission fluid deteriorates quicker than expected
when it is exposed to intermittent high heat loads under specific driving conditions. A software update is available to
maintain the transmission fluid temperature within the desirable range under all driving conditions and eliminate the
potential for this judder.
There are two bulletins referring to this subject:
• 17-043 - 2014–17 Odyssey: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch. Do this bulletin first to apply the
software and flush the transmission as indicated in the REPAIR PROCEDURE.
• 17-044 - 2014–17 Odyssey: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch After Software Update. Some
vehicles based on how they are driven may still experience ATF deterioration after updating the PGM-FI or A/T
system. In these cases, do the inspection and, if necessary, flush the transmission as indicated in the REPAIR
PROCEDURE.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
There are 2 types of PCM’s in the 2014–17 Odyssey. (Keihin and Continental)
The corrective action will be based on which PCM is in the vehicle.
Check the program ID in the Transmission Data List.
If the program ID starts with 37805 it is a Continental PCM.
Software is not available for the Continental PCM at this time. Go to the VERIFICATION PROCEDURE.
If the program ID starts with 37806 it is a Keihin PCM.
Check if the software has been updated. If the software has not been updated, take an automatic transmission snapshot
and review the data, and confirm the judder is coming from the torque converter. If the snapshot indicates the judder is
coming from the torque converter, update the PGM-FI or A/T system, then go to REPAIR PROCEDURE.
PARTS INFORMATION
Part Name

Part Number

Quantity

Drain Plug Washer (18 mm)

90471-PX4-000

1

ATF Fill Sealing Washer (24 mm)

11107-PWA-300

1

CUSTOMER INFORMATION: The information in this bulletin is intended for use only by skilled technicians who have the proper tools,
equipment, and training to correctly and safely maintain your vehicle. These procedures should not be attempted by “do-it-yourselfers,” and
you should not assume this bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle has the condition described. To determine whether this
information applies, contact an authorized Honda automobile dealer.

© 2017 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights Reserved

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REQUIRED MATERIALS
Part Name
Honda ATF DW-1

Part Number

Quantity

08200-9008

11

WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
The warranty is 8 years or 80,000 miles, whichever comes first.
Operation
Number
1255E4
A

Flat
Rate
Time

Description
Update the PGM-FI
software.

0.2 hr

Flush the ATF.

1.4 hr

Defect
Code

Symptom
Code

Template
ID

Failed Part Number

03214

03217

17-043A

37806-RV0-5070

SOFTWARE INFORMATION
NOTE: Unnecessary or incorrect repairs resulting from a failure to update the i-HDS or MVCI are not covered under
warranty.
i-HDS Software Version: 1.003.003 or later
J2534 Software Information:
PC Application Version 1.1.0.2 or later
Database update 01-JUNE-2017 or later
Before beginning the repair, make sure that both the i-HDS and J2534 software are updated as listed above.
Do only the update listed in this service bulletin.
You cannot apply the updates with the MVCI as a standalone tool. To update the vehicle you must use the MVCI or
the DST-i interface in conjunction with the J2534 Rewrite PC application on the i-HDS.
For more information about updating the i-HDS, the MVCI, and vehicle systems, refer to Service Bulletin 01-023,
Updating Control Units/Modules.
Year
2014–17

Trim
ALL

Software
System

Program ID
(or later)

Program P/N
(or later)

A/T

V05070

37806-RV0-5070

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INSPECTION PROCEDURE
1. Connect the i-HDS, and go to the A/T Data List. Check the program P/N.
• If the software program P/N starts with 37805, it is a Continental PCM. There is no software available at this
time, go to VERIFICATION PROCEDURE.
• If the software program P/N starts with 37806, it is a Keihin PCM. Check if the PCM has been updated by
comparing the program P/N against the table below.

•

If the program P/N is listed below (or later), the vehicle has been updated. Go to service bulletin 17-044
2014–17 Odyssey: Judder from the Torque Converter Lock-Up Clutch After Software Update.
37806-RV0-5070

•

If the program P/N is not listed, the vehicle has not been updated. Go to step 2.

2. Take an automatic transmission snapshot and forward it to Tech Line using the RO number. For more information
about capturing and interpreting the data, refer to the job aid Torque Converter Clutch Shudder and Vibration and
the Tech2Tech® video “Interpreting Torque Converter Judder Snapshot Data”.
•
•

If the snapshot indicates there is a judder, go to REPAIR PROCEDURE.
If the snapshot does not indicate a judder, this bulletin does not apply. Continue with normal troubleshooting.
NOTE: You do not need to contact Tech Line after sending the snapshot. However, if you do not send a
snapshot, your claim may be subject to debit.

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VERIFICATION PROCEDURE
1. Take an automatic transmission snapshot and forward it to Tech Line using the RO number. For more information
about capturing and interpreting the data, refer to the job aid Torque Converter Clutch Shudder and Vibration and
the Tech2Tech® video Interpreting Torque Converter Judder Snapshot Data.
• If the snapshot does not indicate a judder, this bulletin does not apply, continue with normal troubleshooting.
NOTE: You do not need to contact Tech Line after sending the snapshot. However, if you do not send a
snapshot, your claim may be subject to debit.
• If the snap shot indicates there is a torque converter judder, go to the ATF Flush Procedure.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
NOTE:
• You can’t update the vehicle using the MVCI as a standalone tool.
• Do not use the MongoosePro VCI tool.
• Make sure the 12 volt battery is fully charged before starting an update.
• Connect a fully charged jumper battery to the vehicle and leave it connected during the entire procedure to maintain
steady voltage.
• Never turn the ignition to OFF or ACCESSORY during the update. If there is a problem with the update, leave the
ignition turned to ON.
• To prevent PCM damage, do not operate anything electrical (headlights, audio system, brakes, A/C, power
windows, door locks, etc.) during the update.
• If you see the following Error Display, check that you are using the correct tool (MVCI or DST-i) with the i-HDS.

To change this, click on either of the SETTING selection buttons at the bottom of the J2534 initial screens as
shown.

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1. Update the PGM-FI or A/T software by selecting the i-HDS Diagnostic System icon. Refer to Service Bulletin
01-023, Updating Control Units/ Modules.
NOTE: Do not use the Rewrite icon on your desktop.

2. Select J2534 Rewrite.

3. Confirm the software is the same or later as listed in SOFTWARE INFORMATION.

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4. Select Start, then follow the screen prompts.
NOTE:
• Don’t enter a bulletin number.
• If you receive a message that the vehicle has been already updated or that no update is available, check the
transmission data list. The header should indicate one of the following numbers (or later).
37806-RV0-5070
•

If the program part numbers do not match those listed above, the i-HDS software needs to be reinstalled.
Contact the Special Tools Hotline at 800-346-6327 for assistance.

5. Go to the ATF Flush Procedure.
ATF Flush Procedure
NOTE: The term “flushing” refers to repeatedly draining and filling the transmission with Honda Genuine
ATF-DW1. Other aftermarket flush systems are available, but American Honda strongly recommends that
you avoid using them on any Honda vehicles.
1. Start the engine. Hold the engine speed at 3,000 rpm without load (in Park or Neutral) until the radiator fan comes
on, then let it idle.
2. Position the vehicle on a lift and turn off the engine.
3. Remove the ATF filler bolt and sealing washer.
4. Raise the vehicle and make sure it is securely supported.
5. Remove the drain plug and drain the ATF.
6. Install the drain plug and original washer and torque it to 49 N.m (36 lb-ft).
7. Lower the vehicle and fill the transmission with 3.6 US qts (3.4 L) of ATF-DW1 through the filler hole.
NOTE: Do not use non-Honda ATF because it can affect shift quality.
8. Install the ATF filler bolt and original sealing washer and torque it to 44 N.m (32 lb-ft).
9. Check that the fluid is filled to the proper level.
10. Raise the vehicle and make sure it is securely supported.
11. Start the engine.
12. Press the VSA Off button.
13. Press the brake pedal and shift to Drive.
14. Release the brake pedal. Press the accelerator pedal and bring the speedometer up to 50 mph. Make sure the
transmission shifts through the first three lower gears and into fourth gear and the torque converter is locking up.
15. Apply the brakes to stop the front wheels.
16. Shift to Reverse, then Neutral.
17. Repeat the shifting procedure (steps 13 through 16) four more times.
18. Turn off the engine.
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19. Repeat the above drain, fill, and shifting procedure (steps 3 through 18) one more time.
20. After the second refill and drive cycle, drain the transmission.
21. Install the drain bolt with a new washer and torque to 49 N.m (36 lb-ft).
22. Fill the transmission with 3.6 US qts (3.4 L) of ATF-DW1.
Automatic Transmission Fluid Capacity
3.6 US qts (3.4 L) at change
NOTE: Do not use non-Honda ATF because it can affect shift quality.
23. Install the ATF filler bolt with a new sealing washer and torque the bolt to 44 N.m (32 lb-ft).
24. Confirm the judder is gone and clear any DTCs that were set while driving on the lift.
25. If the Maintenance Minder did not indicate the ATF needed replacement, reset the Maintenance Minder with the
i-HDS. For more information about resetting individual maintenance items, refer to the service information. If the
Maintenance Minder indicated the ATF needed replacement and a full service was done, reset the maintenance
minder with the multi-information display.

END

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